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Siemens Gigaset S450IP

Created by: mali,Last modification on Sun 20 of Jul, 2008 [08:32 UTC] by ultraseb
A VoIP DECT Phone based on the Siemens Chagall Platform.

The Siemens Gigaset S675IP and S685 IP are successors to this phone.

It is similar to the Siemens Gigaset C450IP. Some of the differences result from the different handset. The S450IP uses a S45 handset.

  • Larger display than C450IP
  • Multi-Base Capability (the handset can be registered to multiple base stations)
  • Jabber-compatible Instant Messenger
  • POP3 Inbox Status Display
  • Support for up to 6 SIP accounts, which may be assigned to one or more of the registered handsets for incoming/ourgoing calls.
  • Support for 2 simultaneous DECT channels.
  • Support for 2 SIP calls in parallel (in addition to using the analoge line)
  • Support for uploading and downloading the phonebooks of the individual handsets

See also: Siemens phones, Siemens Gigaset Blog on S450 IP

07/2008 - Firmware: 021230000000 / 038.00 EEPROM: 121


New Features:
  • Compatibility with A58H and C38H Handsets (including Infoscreensaver as Liveticker)
  • New languages: Brazilian Portuguese, Russian (country and handset dependent)
  • BEL, NLD: Autoconfigurationcode-enquiry added in the Handset's connection assistant

Improvements:
  • NAT Traversal improved
  • STUN can be disabled for Gigaset.net
  • Email-Notification: display of date and subject improved, lenght of Email address up to 74 characters
  • Display IP-Address without leading "0"s during the paging call
  • Entries out of the calls list will be fully copied into the telephone directory, if the name was displayed * from online phonebook.
  • Web configurator: does not show "********" for empty password
  • SMS Status Report function improved
  • SIP Protocol implementation improved
  • Incorrect recall after a successful call transfer fixed
  • Display Scandinavian characters
  • Answering machine functionality improved


13/12/2007 - Firmware: 020970000000 / 041.00 EPROM: 114


Note that MWI now works with asterisk mailboxes

New Features:
  • ECO-DECT is supported
  • Net AM calls will be displayed at the handset
  • It is possible to select international online phonebook provider
  • Advanced Online phonebook features usable (Depends on Provider)
  • The number of incoming calls will be replaced by the caller’s name of the online phonebook (Depends on provider)
  • The SIP account can be activated with a code (Depends on provider)
  • Calling Line Identity Restriction (CLIR) for VoIP (Depends on Provider)
  • Directory entries for Gigaset.net and Net Directories will be transferred during registration (Handset: C45, S45, SL55, SL56, C47H, SL37H, S67H)
  • Gigaset.net call forwarding
  • Default Line configuration via Web Configurator
  • Handset name configuration via Web Configurator
  • Display of called number (like COLP in ISDN)
  • With an active online connection the Web Configurator can be reached with "www.Gigaset-config.com"

Improvements:
  • SIP UDP registration improved
  • It is possible to edit international Prefix and Local Area Code
  • It is possible to use ", ', >, <, & in Gigaset.net Nicknames
  • Unfounded Stun Requests avoided
  • NTP requests minimized
  • Wideband (G.722) function improved
  • E-Mail and Messenger function improved
  • Suffix dialing and dialing plan function improved
  • Echo suppression for VoIP improved
  • Online phonebook function improved
  • Directory transfer to the Gigaset SL1 handset is possible
  • IP dialing improved
  • Notepad *.vcf files can be transmitted to the handset
  • Info Screen problem with Gigaset C47H Handset fixed.
  • It is possible to use quotations in the "Display Name" of the SIP profile


14/09/2007 - Firmware: 020810000000 / 041.00 EPROM: 103

  • Fixed CLI length issue, now truncates instead of displaying 'Unknown'
  • R-button now works in SIP mode (You need to enable this in advanced settings, Telephony / Advanced Settings page to includes Hook-Flash call transfer). See also this thread on call transfer. User report: When pressed Asterisk 1.4.13 reports this error and nothing happens: "WARNING[905]: chan_sip.c:2773 sip_indicate: Don't know how to indicate condition 9"

New Features/Improvements according to Siemens, see Release Notes, manuals
  • VoIP Wideband function added (DTMF Outband signalization only). This feature can be used with S67H and SL37H handsets only.
  • Line selection via account index added (#0 - #9).
  • Dialing Plan added.
  • VoIP Call Transfer function added. (Depends on the provider).
  • Call rejection via Onhook-Key added.
  • IP address exchange via paging call.
  • NTP/SNTP protocol support added (automatic Time/Date adjustment).
  • E-Mail username length is enlarged up to 50 characters (configurable via Web Configurator).
  • VoIP Accounts can be stored without user name.
  • Info service functionality added e.g. Weather forecast as Screensaver. This feature can be used with C47H, S67H and SL37H handsets only.
  • Call Waiting Rejection function added.
  • If you try an outgoing call for the first time with a wrongly configured VoIP or Gigaset.net account, you are being asked if you want to start the installation assistant.
  • Message presentation improved.
  • Phone menu adjusted.
  • G729 Codec support improved.

PLEASE LIST ANY OTHER BUG FIXES HERE

The current firmware version 41 seems to work fine with Asterisk and OpenSer for some users. The "realm must be empty"-effect seems to be gone. There might be issues with outbound calling with a S450IP and Asterisk 1.4.x (statuscode 415).

Feature requests

  • Provide a list of registered handsets through a web-interface
  • Enable the R-button in SIP mode fixed 14/09/2007
  • Enable MWI for VoIP
  • Add a means to put a caller on hold
  • Add a 'mute' option for the microphone
  • Option to disable missed calls alert (see note below)
  • Option to add an extra leading 0 and a pause for use in PABX
  • Allow SIP transfer/consult between terminals of same base (not possible now since they are needed 3 SIP channels in parallel, therefore you will need to use the 'internal' transfer method)
  • Allow the use of the SIP Header "Call-Info:\;answer-after=0" to make the phone automatically answer in loudspeaker mode without ringing or user interaction

Known limitations

Firmware Version 41

  • The Asterisk logfiles says "Got SIP response 415 "Unsupported Media Type" back from <ip_of_s450ip>. This is only an annoyance, not an error, and it can be easily fixed by not having a 'mailbox=' entry in sip.conf since there is no support for MWI.

Firmware Version 38

  • R-button does not work in SIP mode (fixed in firmware 41)
  • Caller name length limited to 15 characters

Firmware Version 34

  • R-button does not work in SIP mode

Firmware Version xx

  • Now with support for up to six VoIP providers (not just 1 with max. 4 accounts)

Details

Cannot disable missed calls alert

If this phone is part of a ringing group it would be nice to be able to disable the missed call alert. So that it does not sit there flashing.

R-button does not work in SIP mode (fixed)

The R-button, which is used to request for transfer etc. in POTS-mode, has no function in SIP-mode. The behaviour is mentioned in the manual. Siemens does not seem to consider this a bug.

Using SIP is not possible to transfer/consult between S450IP terminals of same base

Each base allows just two simultaneous DECT channels. Imagine a SIP enviroment in which each S450IP terminal has an associated SIP account.
If a S450IP is in a call with Asterisk (for example) and the user press "Consult" to initiate other call while the first one is on hold, then he cannot call to other terminal of same base, because that would be 2 DECT channels more:
  • First DECT channel: call between S450IP-1 and Asterisk (on hold but alive).
  • Second DECT channel: outgoing call from S450IP-1 to SIP account of S450IP-2.
  • Third DECT channel: incoming call from SIP proxy to S450IP-2 (NOT POSSIBLE).
So, using SIP you cannot transfer or consult to other terminal in same base, you will instead need to use the 'internal' transfer method between handsets that are registered to the same base.

Comments:

  • According to a Siemens dealer this should be changed with a recent firmware upgrade (September 2007) . Can anybody with a S450IP please confirm or refute this claim?
  • I confirm that it doesn't work (November 2007, version 41.00)

Caller Name length limitation

The length of the caller name (as set by CALLERID(name) oder CALLERID(all)) must be limited to 15 characters or less. If a longer string is transmitted by the SIP server, the phone will ignore that name and display "Unknown" (or the corresponding localized string). It does not show the first 15 characters!

E-mail

Only one POP address can be checked, and only subject and sender will be shown
POP client does not support SSL - so does not work with Google or Yahoo

HTTP proxy

There is currently no support for a HTTP proxy.

Jabber

Jabber works via port 80 (?). Doesn't work with Google Talk becaseu gtalk requires TLS which the S450 doesn't support.

Line assignment

Each handset has either pstn or a specified voip provider as the default outgoing line. It was not possible to select the outgoing line/identity on a case-by-case basis until the release of firware 41 which allows particular outgoing numbers to be associated with a specific provider or the pstn line via the basic Dialling Plan feature acessible from the web interface, and also allows a number to be dialled with a postifxed identifier, eg ***********#0 will dial via the pstn while ******#2 will dial via the second voip provider and ***********#9 will dial Siemens' own gigaset.net provider.

Firmware update

In order for the firmware update to work behind a LAN router you will need to forward the ftp data port 20 to your phone (with update URL
gigaset.siemens.com/chagall). However, other workarounds using an update URL within your local LAN should also be possible.

photo from base station board :
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Available from:

  • Belgium: VoIPsolutions At 94,99 Euro; Reseller prices available (Other models also available; S675 IP; SL75; C450 IP; C470 IP; C475 IP; Repeater; Doorphone; ...)
  • UK and Worldwide: VoIPon - Shipping UK and Worldwide


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333Random dropouts again

by remi_france, Friday 29 of August, 2008 [18:15:32 UTC]
I experienced random dropouts with an S450IP after upgrading to firmware 02097 then 02123. After searching desperatly for a way to downgrade back to firmware 02063, I tried and removed data that I had put in the Settings / Messaging / E-Mail form : the set worked again. The reason for this must be close to what is explained in the ponto post of Oct. 24 2007.
Regards,
Remi France
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333Jabber Account per handset?

by mmcnamee, Thursday 07 of February, 2008 [15:59:35 UTC]
I have just spoken to Siemens technical support, with a pre-sales technical enquiry. They told me that the S450IP and indeed the S675IP only supports one Jabber account per Base-station, not one account per handset. Can anyone who has either system confirm this either way? Ideally, each handset would be assigned to a particular user, and their Jabber account registered on their own handset, this would also allow inter-hanset messaging, I'm at a loss to believe Siemens would have implemented this as one account per system!

Cheers,
Mark

-- Update --
07/02/2008
I now have a Quad set of S450IPs, and can confirm that only one Jabber account registration can be enabled. You configure the username, password and server details on the Base Station, and then login via the handset. Only one handset can be "online" at a time, if you try to access "Messenger" from a second handset, it simply beeps to say "you can't do that!".

Siemens would do well to improve this situation, to allow multiple registrations, and multiple simultaneous logins, but I appreciate this would consume more CPU and memory on a limited power base-station.
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333Re: 415 Unsupported Media Type with Siemens VoIP/DECT

by jadler, Wednesday 07 of November, 2007 [06:39:37 UTC]
PieterB and I came up with a reason for the 415 message, and a (less than perfect) solution, at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Siemens+Gigaset+S675IP
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333415 Unsupported Media Type with Siemens VoIP/DECT

by jadler, Monday 29 of October, 2007 [18:17:04 UTC]
Since I have a Gigaset S675 IP I will write about it on the page for that phone — http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Siemens+Gigaset+S675IP

I get the same error, Asterisk 1.2 on Debian, no codec changes made any difference so far, but I might be on to something.
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333Re: re: random dropouts

by ponto, Wednesday 24 of October, 2007 [18:54:09 UTC]
The 'random dropouts' are caused by the base station trying to contact gigaset.net which it seems to do every 4 minutes or so even if you disable this in the menu. If it finds that it can't due to no internet connection or a firewall, it reboots dropping any call in progress in an ungainly way - if you open all UDP ports in your firewall this solves the problem
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333415 "Unsupported Media Type" from Siemens Gigaset S450 IP

by PieterB, Tuesday 09 of October, 2007 [18:33:32 UTC]
Can anybody with this phone and Asterisk setup confirm if they got this phone working with recent firmware (firmware 41).
I have problems with outbound calling through VOIP and Asterisk.
I keep getting "Got SIP response 415 "Unsupported Media Type" back from <ip_of_s450ip>" in my Asterisk logs?
Please tell me what version of asterisk you use, and what codec you use. I encountered it with Asterisk 1.4.5 and 1.4.10.
I tried changing the codec options, but nothing seem to help.

Regards,

Pieter
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333415 "Unsupported Media Type" from Siemens Gigaset S450 IP

by PieterB, Tuesday 09 of October, 2007 [18:32:25 UTC]
Can anybody with this phone and Asterisk setup confirm if they got this phone working with recent firmware (firmware 41).
I have problems with outbound calling through VOIP and Asterisk.
I keep getting "Got SIP response 415 "Unsupported Media Type" back from <ip_of_s450ip>" in my Asterisk logs?
Please tell me what version of asterisk you use, and what codec you use. I encountered it with Asterisk 1.4.5 and 1.4.10.
I tried changing the codec options, but nothing seem to help.

Regards,

Pieter
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333firmware update (ourself)

by ultraseb, Monday 08 of October, 2007 [16:49:14 UTC]
i buy a s450ip to use it at my office (i would like to buy 6 same phone )

but i encounter a problem !! with my PABX !!! (zero prefix)

is there is a web forum with siemens s450ip user who want to add some feature ??

for my self i could try to help to develop firmware !!!

first of all : i need 103 eeprom source (dial plan source) if someone have !!!!


if you know a good forum

see you !
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333Pause after 0 for external calling

by ginopilotino, Tuesday 18 of September, 2007 [15:40:07 UTC]
No way to add automatically a pause after a 0 for external calling. Old siemens cordless do it very well. S 450 IP and other new models no!!
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333Re: re: random dropouts

by rossmck, Tuesday 18 of September, 2007 [11:24:03 UTC]
There is no firewall in place in this case (it's an entirely internal issue)

could you possibly eMail me (rossmck at mac . com) your sip.conf and details of any timeouts on the S450IP and i'll compare.

can you also confirm that you're using the latest (41) firmware revision.