ALERT Another reason to not use HP products

[KNERD]

I have had many issues with HP products and won't be using them anytime soon.

Here is another reason for sure to not use their stuff.

A flawed update sent out by Hewlett Packard Enterprise (HPE) resulted in the loss of 77TB of critical research data at Kyoto University, the company has admitted.

HPE recently issued a software update that broke a program deleting old log files, and instead of just deleting those (which would still have a backup copy stored in a high-capacity storage system), it deleted pretty much everything, including files in the backup system,

This HPE software update accidentally wiped 77TB of data

Kyoto University lost days of valuable work

www.techradar.com

 

[wardmundy]

Their INK Policies should cause everyone to run for the hills. Epson printers are more cost effective by a factor of ten or more.

 

[dghundt]

We use HP lasterjets. They work very well. Toner cartridges are easily had for our models on Ebay. YMMV.

 

[mbellot]

Their INK Policies should cause everyone to run for the hills. Epson printers are more cost effective by a factor of ten or more.

Must be new(er) for Epson. I still have an Epson inkjet and will never forget the class action lawsuit against them for horrendous ink waste (automatic "cleaning" all the time).

What made it truly memorable was the settlement. $70 in credit to buy ink at the Epson online store. Not even enough for one complete set of cartridges from them, but almost enough to get a two-pack from Sam's Club - too bad it wasn't valid there.

I'm with dghundt, HP laser printers have been nearly bullet proof for close to three decades for me, though sadly the newer ones are definitely made cheaper than the tanks from 25 years ago.

 

[kenn10]

Pretty much all printers are a racket. They sell the printer as a loss-leader and then stick it to you on the consumables. Epson's latest ripoff is to prevent you from using aftermarket inkjet cartridges by way of an embedded chip in their own product which is read by the printer. I find that Brother printers have the best reliability and cheapest consumables without all the BS you find with HP and Epson.

 

[dghundt]

Our HP Laserjet 2055 printers have a chip, but the ebay toner kits have a chip too.

 

[kenn10]

I have had many issues with HP products and won't be using them anytime soon.

HP was never great for servers or PC's. Their printers were pretty much a staple for a majority of people. Unfortunately, they ruined Compaq when they took over and, like most large corporations, executed a flawed split of the company. I'm convinced that when these companies break up and bring in "expert" MBA's to "fix" things that it frequently results in a business plan to go out of business.

 

[kenn10]

Our HP Laserjet 2055 printers have a chip, but the ebay toner kits have a chip too.

Same with the Epson cartridges but you have a 1 in 5 chance that the reused chip in the aftermarket Epson cartridge has exceeded the allowed accesses. I usually buy a 4-cartridge set and invariably receive one that won't work. When this printer dies, I am officially sworn off of Epson.

Epson won the lawsuit but will lose many customers:

Firmware case dismissed against Epson - The Recycler

The class action lawsuit filed in October 2019 against Epson alleging that the complainants suffered harm as a result of Epson’s firmware updates that locked out third party supplies, has been voluntarily dismissed by the plaintiffs.

www.therecycler.com

 

[krzykat]

I've got a Canon MF733CDW AIO Laser Printer and it works pretty darned well. Yes, the toners are relatively expensive, but I buy the 3rd party ones off of AMazon. The prices are so much cheaper that if you get a bad one, toss it and you're still ahead of the game. Plus the big advantage for me is that if I don't print anything for a couple of weeks, I don't have to worry about ink drying up and screwing with the print-heads.

As for calling those inkjet printers a racket, I agree and disagree. They are - you're not getting an inkjet printer for $80 that can just pop in $10 cartridges ... but then again, they wouldn't be making money. So they have to make their money somewhere and they choose the ink cartridges. But Epson admitted that and came out with the Eco-Tank.

What about the Epson Eco-Tank printers? If I was to buy another inkjet, I think that's the way I would go. You ever use one of those?

 

[kenn10]

I haven't tried the refillable tank Epson printers and probably won't. Brother laser printers are equivalently priced to HP and they make no effort to block third party toner cartridges. Epson has pissed me off enough that I won't buy from them again.

In my old government job, we used both HP and Brother printers (whoever submitted the lowest bid) and the Brothers required far less maintenance and consumables were about 1/2 the price of the HP cartridges. Our HP printers would warn if you put a non-HP cartridge in but they would still work (and void the 1-year warranty as they logged non-HP cartridge use.)

 

[randy7376]

Semiconductor Shortage Forces Canon to Dump Toner Copy Protection Chips

Canon Germany advises users on how to bypass cart copy-protection warnings.

www.tomshardware.com

Seems to be somewhat relevant to the conversation.

 

[wardmundy]

Sorry. Wasn't referring to the Epson cartridge printers. The new EcoTank units are terrific. And we've always loved HP LaserJets as well... since the very first ones. We actually built the bankruptcy case management system (B.U.M.S.) used by two-thirds of the bankruptcy courts pairing the first IBM AT's coupled with HP LaserJet printers.

 

[krzykat]

I also used the HP Laserjets when I worked for the State Attorney's office to automate subpoenas and other court documents. Used a combination of Dbase, then Clipper, coupled with Word Perfect to auto fill and then print onto the HP's ... ahhh ... the good ol' days.

 

[Halea]

... Used a combination of Dbase, then Clipper, coupled with Word Perfect to auto fill and then print onto the HP's ... ahhh ... the good ol' days.

God! You've reminded me of the 3 painful weeks that I spent experimenting with WordStar when it first came out in 1978. I was writing my PhD theses. I had close to 1,200 pages of manuscripts in addition to 400+ pages of tables saved into a JPLDIS/RETRIEVE database that needed to be sorted through.
I was half way though with WordStar when I discovered WordPerfect. It had better functionality and output formatting features, but it was hardly compatible with WordStar. Not having much time to retype everything I had to stick to WordStar and finish the job.
When I finally got everything done it was a little over 1,100 pages printed on a Control Data line printer fan fold paper. The jury was amused because it was the first time that anyone had submitted a theses in that format. They reconvened my theses-defense and told my advisor to tell me to separate each page and present it in a traditional format with hard covers et al., which cost me an additional 2 sleepless nights to do!
Yes @krzykat ! THE GOOD OL'DAYS!!!

 

[KNERD]

God! You've reminded me of the 3 painful weeks that I spent experimenting with WordStar when it first came out in 1978. I was writing my PhD theses. I had close to 1,200 pages of manuscripts in addition to 400+ pages of tables saved into a JPLDIS/RETRIEVE database that needed to be sorted through.
I was half way though with WordStar when I discovered WordPerfect. It had better functionality and output formatting features, but it was hardly compatible with WordStar. Not having much time to retype everything I had to stick to WordStar and finish the job.
When I finally got everything done it was a little over 1,100 pages printed on a Control Data line printer fan fold paper. The jury was amused because it was the first time that anyone had submitted a theses in that format. They reconvened my theses-defense and told my advisor to tell me to separate each page and present it in a traditional format with hard covers et al., which cost me an additional 2 sleepless nights to do!
Yes @krzykat ! THE GOOD OL'DAYS!!!

Don't tell me you printed it out like this:

 

[ostridge]

I just knew my GF was much cleverer than me when she told me she had a SUPERBRAIN. Turned out that she was inputing data about caravan insurance renewals onto 5.25 floppies; and also using WordPerfect I assume for letters.
I threw away a printed card recently with the WP licence key; and in the grand scheme of things that was a flash in the pan.
A local museum still has one of those SUPERBRAIN machines.

Oh and where did CP/M go to.

 

[hawk#1]

Back 25 + years ago, Hp had some great LaserJet Printers, I still have a LaserJet 4 that I used for my business. It still works although not in a business capacity. I prefer a good Lexmark laser printer now. Definitely will not use a Brother printer. When I was on the local Fire Dept we had one that the cartridges needed to be replaced every couple of weeks and all it was used for was to print out a copy of one page reports. Needless to say, it was quickly replaced with a Canon printer.
No matter what brand you have or recommend, someone will have had a bad experience with that brand. Rather than recommending a particular brand, one should read product reviews and then decide what brand to buy or not buy.

 

[krzykat]

God! You've reminded me of the 3 painful weeks that I spent experimenting with WordStar when it first came out in 1978.@krzykat ! THE GOOD OL'DAYS!!!

You know its funny how some of these things stick like riding a bike. I use JOE as my preferred linux editor and you know why? Cause it uses the same commands that Wordstar did, and I still remember them. <Ctrl> K U, <Ctrl> K V, etc. It's just easy for me cause I already knew how to use it.

 

[Halea]

Don't tell me you printed it out like this:

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Quite close! I actually printed on the back side of the paper, which didn't have the green stripes. The ream wasn't micro-perfed either, so to remove the perforations on the sides I had to use a guillotine paper cutter which could only handle 2-3 sheets at the time. Imagine doing this on a dozen of copies...

 

[KNERD]

Quite close! I actually printed on the back side of the paper, which didn't have the green stripes. The ream wasn't micro-perfed either, so to remove the perforations on the sides I had to use a guillotine paper cutter which could only handle 2-3 sheets at the time. Imagine doing this on a dozen of copies...

Well, shucks, You could of punched holes in the pages, and threw them in binders. Saved yourself two days not sleeping .