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[krzykat]

@krzykat For what its worth, CNAM Lookup can be disabled on your account if you have no DID's. Duh...If no incoming calls, no CNAM.

I agree with I think everything you said, and Yes, my first experience with them was years ago when their name was different, what was it E911.com or something like that. We first used them for E911 because they were best and cheaper than anyone else. I've never experienced any issues with them and their staff has been very responsive. I honestly don't consider them and Voip.ms in the same categories. One is for wholesale where you know what you're doing and you manage your own PBX's, the other is for an end user that doesn't want a PBX and just needs a couple feature sets.

So to my quote above ... so you CAN disable auto Cnam dips, but ONLY if you have NO DID's?? If so, they need to even remove that as its redundant.

 

[kenn10]

So to my quote above ... so you CAN disable auto Cnam dips, but ONLY if you have NO DID's?? If so, they need to even remove that as its redundant.

Yeah. On my account, I clicked on the CNAM enabled button and the error message said something like "You have at least one inbound number so CNAM cannot be disabled."

 

[RalyBlune]

They provide instant updates to the LIDB when you purchase a DID. They support G.722 CODEC within their network.

Great provider, excellent service from BVS.
Can you expand on the G.722? We default include G.722 in our INVITE in the hopes that one day it will be accepted across providers, BVS only replies with ULAW. When are you seeing G.722?

Also is it correct that BulkVS doesn't allow any outbound SMS anymore? Without $30 fee + $6/m and a lot of paperwork?

 

[kenn10]

When are you seeing G.722?

I get g.722 when I make an outbound call to someone else with g.722 on their PBX. This usually only happens when calling within the Bulkvs network, i.e. customer to customer.

Bulkvs was forced to charge and require an outbound campaign due to upstream providers charging a lot more.

 

[atsak]

Great provider, excellent service from BVS.
Can you expand on the G.722? We default include G.722 in our INVITE in the hopes that one day it will be accepted across providers, BVS only replies with ULAW. When are you seeing G.722?

Also is it correct that BulkVS doesn't allow any outbound SMS anymore? Without $30 fee + $6/m and a lot of paperwork?

BulkVS doesn't proxy RTP so you get G.722 if the initiating carrier or PBX supports G.722. Anveo Direct also does not proxy RTP so it would work there as well.

All of the 10DLC rules mean SMS got a lot more complicated for VOIP, much to the appeasement of the cell carriers I am sure, though it may also assist with spam texts eventually I suppose as an upside.

 

[RalyBlune]

BulkVS doesn't proxy RTP so you get G.722 if the initiating carrier or PBX supports G.722. Anveo Direct also does not proxy RTP so it would work there as well.

All of the 10DLC rules mean SMS got a lot more complicated for VOIP, much to the appeasement of the cell carriers I am sure, though it may also assist with spam texts eventually I suppose as an upside.

Yes, but we have yet to find a carrier that accepts or INVITEs G.722 (that do not proxy audio), have you had any success? All the major carriers are g.711 only. i

The SMS rules might have been needed to reduce spam, however the lack of small scale exceptions was a large oversight. I think they tried to fix that now with some new rules for <10,000 sms/month which is a surprisingly sane cutoff, but that doesn't seem to have trickled down to providers yet.
We have some clients that send 100-1,000 sms/month mostly notifications to themselves now having to pay and put in extensive paperwork.

SMS SCRIPT;
Anyone having a problem with BulkVS SMS script that was posted here? A partner reached out today saying they have been getting blank SMS via the script from Bulk.

 

[Samot]

Just to be clear, 10DLC has over a dozen campaign/brand categories for the use case needed. Low volume options are there but a low volume school will be different than the low volume non-profit or even political or notification based campaigns.

Each campaign type has rules about sending limits, etc. including rules about requiring handling responses like #STOP or #HELP. One should automatically stop them from receiving future messages while the other should return contact info.

 

[RalyBlune]

Is anyone using the SMS scripts earlier in this thread? I was trying to help someone and it seems BulkVS is sending in a different format then when those scripts were made. I haven't had much time to debug yet but they aren't working on their setup. @wardmundy @Halea

 

[atsak]

Yes, but we have yet to find a carrier that accepts or INVITEs G.722 (that do not proxy audio), have you had any success? All the major carriers are g.711 only. i

The SMS rules might have been needed to reduce spam, however the lack of small scale exceptions was a large oversight. I think they tried to fix that now with some new rules for <10,000 sms/month which is a surprisingly sane cutoff, but that doesn't seem to have trickled down to providers yet.
We have some clients that send 100-1,000 sms/month mostly notifications to themselves now having to pay and put in extensive paperwork.

SMS SCRIPT;
Anyone having a problem with BulkVS SMS script that was posted here? A partner reached out today saying they have been getting blank SMS via the script from Bulk.

I have seen HD audio appear on Canadian cell carriers here, but no big carriers in the US. If anyone were to do it, it would be T-mobile, so you could always try that but from what I've gleaned previously (admittedly a few years ago now) they have their termination organized regionally so it would be hit and miss anyway.

I agree the SMS rules while well intentioned were tough for small businesses who's customers want to be communicated with via SMS, so we'll see how that goes.

 

[Samot]

I agree the SMS rules while well intentioned were tough for small businesses who's customers want to be communicated with via SMS, so we'll see how that goes.

It is roughly $100-ish in one time setups for registering, as a small company will need one campaign at most. Low volume campaigns will be like $6/quarter so $24/year.

 

[Samot]

They have have a sole proprietorship campaigns that are even cheaper.

 

[atsak]

It is roughly $100-ish in one time setups for registering, as a small company will need one campaign at most. Low volume campaigns will be like $6/quarter so $24/year.

It's not monetary cost. It's administrative burden. Small business just doesn't want to fill in any more forms for anything . . .

 

[wardmundy]

So... why is SMS messaging still free with Google Voice and without signing anything??

 

[Samot]

So... why is SMS messaging still free with Google Voice and without signing anything??

My guess; Google Voice, when not hacked, only works on the app/phone it is on. They don't offer alternative ways to do anything else with it. Google Voice very well could have gotten a Person2Person exemption (they exist) due to how they manage the SMS/MMS on their services.

 

[krzykat]

They have have a sole proprietorship campaigns that are even cheaper.

Who's "They" ?

 

[Samot]

Who's "They" ?

They as in The Campaign Registry which oversees the registration, etc of 10DLC campaigns and brands.

 

[wardmundy]

My guess; Google Voice, when not hacked, only works on the app/phone it is on. They don't offer alternative ways to do anything else with it. Google Voice very well could have gotten a Person2Person exemption (they exist) due to how they manage the SMS/MMS on their services.

Huh? You can use Google Voice from any web browser: https://voice.google.com

 

[l4cky]

I agree with I think everything you said, and Yes, my first experience with them was years ago when their name was different, what was it E911.com or something like that. We first used them for E911 because they were best and cheaper than anyone else. I've never experienced any issues with them and their staff has been very responsive. I honestly don't consider them and Voip.ms in the same categories. One is for wholesale where you know what you're doing and you manage your own PBX's, the other is for an end user that doesn't want a PBX and just needs a couple feature sets.

So to my quote above ... so you CAN disable auto Cnam dips, but ONLY if you have NO DID's?? If so, they need to even remove that as its redundant.

which one is cheaper for a small business? voips.ms or bulkvs would you recommend with incrediblepbx in terms of pricing, with a did, and incoming and outgoing local calls in canada? I assume incoming must have cnam cost included too.

 

[kenn10]

I vote for Bulkvs.

 

[l4cky]

I vote for Bulkvs.

if I understand bulkVS has no rate outside of canada and usa (u can't call long distance), and usa calls and canada has no different rate, and it has unlimited channels since it's based on rate per minute