R.I.P. Amerika the Beautiful

[MGD4me]

... and whether you've been near a pub in the last six months!

I agree... it's a fine line between Safety/Security/Privacy. I wouldn't want my wife's attorney accessing information as to why I was late for work again last night. Hypothetical scenario, of course, but you get my drift!! LOL!

 

[hkgonra]

I keep hoping that maybe we can get a true libertarian movement out of all this.

 

[Cam__]

I keep hoping that maybe we can get a true libertarian movement out of all this.

Unfortunately the problem with most Libertarians today is that they not only think that individuals should have a great degree of freedom, but also businesses. What they apparently fail to understand is that an unregulated business, especially a large one, can damage and infringe on the freedoms of great numbers of individuals, while on the other hand an individual can hardly do anything that would cause serious and lasting harm to a large corporation. So they would have us believe that both individuals and businesses should be as free from government regulation as possible, but anyone with half a brain knows that will never work because of the difference in access to money, resources and power.

You want to talk about giving individuals more freedom, I'm all for that, up to a point, anyway - still don't want nutcases to have access to automatic weapons, though. But if you are talking about giving businesses more freedom, I think that is something that has to be looked at very carefully to consider the possible consequences, but generally speaking, the larger the business, the less I like that idea. We already see what happens when companies like AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, etc. are given more freedom from regulation - the customers get screwed every time and even some nearly third world countries have better and less expensive broadband service than we do.

The reason the Libertarian party generally can't get a candidate elected is because people see them has having may of the bad traits of the other parties, and an agenda that really doesn't resonate with most of the public. Even though, if truth be told, a large number of people have libertarian leanings when it comes to individual freedom.

 

[PBX@Home]

Don't know if these are allowed - and if not I'm sorry. But I laughed my a$$ off:

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3usm6o/
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3ussb7/

 

[miguel]

Anyone knows how to implement zrtp on asterisk 1.8 so we can have a bit of privacy?

 

[mbellot]

Your entire diatribe aside, you actually hit the nail on the head early on...

So they would have us believe that both individuals and businesses should be as free from government regulation as possible

Key words... "as possible"

Some businesses require more regulation than others, but the only thing unnecessary regulation does is drive up costs. Guess who pays for that.

 

[Cam__]

My "diatribe" as you put it was an attempt to explain why you will never see the "libertarian movement" you so desire be anything more than a fringe movement. The Libertarian party pretty much kills any chance of that by taking an extreme position on deregulating corporations.

Yes, realistically, some businesses do require more regulation than others. But the problem with Libertarians is that if you really drill into what they believe, you'd be hard pressed to get them to concede that ANY regulation is necessary. What a Libertarian would consider necessary and what an average person would consider necessary are often miles apart.

Often it's worth it to pay for increased regulation. As an example, I'll like to see the government spend a lot more on the regulation of food production, so that people never get sick from eating some product that contains an organism or substance it shouldn't, such as e-coli or salmonella or hepatitis. A typical Libertarian, on the other hand, would probably like to see the FDA and most other federal agencies closed down altogether, maybe because they believe that "the marketplace" would be sufficient to regulate corporations. What they forget is that large corporations can spend whatever they need to in order to counteract any bad press or negative P.R. And it also doesn't work if your only have one choice of supplier, or if all your choices are just as bad.

Basically, when you take the position that you don't want the government to do something because you don't want to pay for it, regardless of how beneficial it might be, you're about halfway to being a Republican. The only difference is that Republicans are more than willing to spend money on things they like, which are typically things that don't benefit 99% of the individuals in this country all that much. And before anybody jumps on me for saying that, I'm not saying the Democrats are angels by any stretch of the imagination, just trying to illustrate how in some ways Libertarians should be thought of as more closely aligned with Republicans than Democrats when it comes to most fiscal issues.

 

[wardmundy]

I took a course in college called American Political Parties. It was taught by a brilliant guy from India no less. Best course ever. It pretty much explained why the two-party system squeezes out everybody else... because the two parties engineer and gerrymander it that way while retaining control of the political apparatus at all levels of the government: local, state, and national. There, I saved you the tuition.

The Tea Party movement really has been brilliant because they've basically infiltrated one of the existing parties rather than starting a new one.
Then the movement kinda spread like cancer does in the body, not that the two are in any way related.

 

[darmock]

Anyone knows how to implement zrtp on asterisk 1.8 so we can have a bit of privacy?

I have been working on zrtp for years unfortunately Asterisk and zrtp is not happening at the moment. If I had 6 months paid leave I bet I could make it work....... but that is another story....

So freeswitch does work with zrtp however. But then if you run a zrtp <> freeswitch system you need to connect it to asterisk. There is the rub. It is fine as long as you connect through and encrypted vpn pipe (such as neorouter).

However if you connect it to asterisk via sip everything is monitorable and what is the point?

zrtp/freeswitch can be set up and used in standalone mode however. I know of a system in Canada that a law firm is using to talk to it's lawyers all over the world securely. However some countries still outlaw encryption (unless it is govt approved and they have the keys). There are a few contries with the death penalty for encryption use so if you travel you have to be careful. I am sure that if there is a mass move to use zrtp that the govt will try to ban it. Remember what they did to Phil Zimmerman when he released PGP?

I have been tinkering with pi and zphone for a little while now....... stay tuned

Tom

 

[miguel]

It would be nice to make something on rhis matter. About the death penalty i will look into that very dangerous.

 

[wardmundy]

It would be nice to make something on this matter. About the death penalty i will look into that very dangerous.

Especially to recipients

 

[mbellot]

My "diatribe" as you put it was an attempt to explain why you will never see the "libertarian movement" you so desire be anything more than a fringe movement. The Libertarian party pretty much kills any chance of that by taking an extreme position on deregulating corporations.

I don't desire to see anything concerning the Libertarian party, please stop speaking for me.

Often it's worth it to pay for increased regulation.

Redundant. I already agreed that certain industries require more regulation than others. What is "worth" paying for and what is "waste" is individual opinion only.

Basically, when you take the position that you don't want the government to do something because you don't want to pay for it, regardless of how beneficial it might be, you're about halfway to being a Republican. The only difference is that Republicans are more than willing to spend money on things they like, which are typically things that don't benefit 99% of the individuals in this country all that much.

Bull. Both parties are equally willing to spend taxpayer money on things they like that don't benefit anyone but themselves. If you truly believe there is any significant difference between the two parties then they have succeeded in fooling you.

And before anybody jumps on me for saying that, I'm not saying the Democrats are angels by any stretch of the imagination, just trying to illustrate how in some ways Libertarians should be thought of as more closely aligned with Republicans than Democrats when it comes to most fiscal issues.

And Libertarians are more closely aligned with Democrats on social issues. What exactly is your point?

 

[wardmundy]

 

[wardmundy]

 

[miguel]

Lol

 

[wardmundy]

 

[wardmundy]

Washington Post => Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

 

[wardmundy]

Some new twists...

 

[Huckda]

that's funny

 

[wardmundy]