FYI Covid Update: AstriCon 2021 Goes Virtual - Bring on IncrediCon

[KNERD]

Other things not FDA approved (for good reason)

Partially Hydrogenated Oil

By that thinking then pretty well no fast foods for any one going to Florida (or not ) and no school meals for Florida schoolkids :-(

FDA bans the use of artificial trans fats in foods

On Monday, June 18, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) officially banned the use of trans fats, or partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs), in all foods sold in American restaurants and grocery stores.

www.cardiovascularbusiness.com

That's funny also as hydrogenated /trans fats have been found to NOT to be the cause of heart disease.

This is available for view on many platforms, including Prime Video, and Curiosity Stream

The Cholesterol Question (2014) ⭐ 7.3 | Documentary

45m | Not Rated

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Cholesterol. For almost 50 years, the word has evoked fear. When people started dropping dead in alarming numbers after WWII, this essential bodily substance was targeted as a primary suspect, and with the help of blockbuster drugs like statins and trendy low-fat diets, we tried to put it behind bars. But surprising facts remain: Roughly 50 percent of those admitted to hospital for heart attacks have "normal" cholesterol levels. Many people with high cholesterol have healthy hearts. How much do we really know about cholesterol? Have our attempts to lock up this culprit really worked? And what cutting-edge clues are scientists now discovering to defeat heart attacks? The Cholesterol Question is a hard-hitting investigation into the heart of cholesterol's controversial journey, from essential biological substance to Public Enemy Number One to possible rehab. From high-tech labs at Harvard University, the Cleveland Clinic, and McMaster's Population Health Research Institute to a secluded lakeside village in northern Italy, we join scientists searching for the "dark matter" that could unlock the remaining mysteries of heart disease. Is it in our genes, stomachs, or our artery walls? Is saturated fat the villain it's long been made out to be - and are statins actually not the magic bullet to heart health? Told as a film-noir detective story with colourful, graphic novel-inspired animation, The Cholesterol Question deconstructs cholesterol's fascinating story for the average viewer - taking them through a scientific caper that debunks conventional wisdom and travels to the frontiers of heart health for new answers.

 

[KNERD]

And I was looking forward to have an excuse to road trip up there. Guess I'll go in October.

It will be virtual in October

 

[dallas]

I don't want to be forced into mask wearing to protect others who aren't vaccinated.

@kenn10 I understand your position, however the vaccine does not protect you from catching Covid-19, only from becoming extremely unwell and perhaps dying. That's why I wear a mask (although here we are 8 weeks into a lockdown that doesn't have an end point and masks are mandatory outside of the home.) When I go out I assume everyone I pass in the street or at the shops is Covid-19 positive.

 

[KNERD]

@kenn10 I understand your position, however the vaccine does not protect you from catching Covid-19, only from becoming extremely unwell and perhaps dying. That's why I wear a mask (although here we are 8 weeks into a lockdown that doesn't have an end point and masks are mandatory outside of the home.) When I go out I assume everyone I pass in the street or at the shops is Covid-19 positive.

While nobody wants to get sick, a virus that has a 99.9% survival rate for the infected; I think all this lock down, vaccines, & mask stuff is going way over board.

How about some lockdowns over this?

The third-leading cause of death in US most doctors don't want you to know about

More than 250,000 people in the US die every year because of medical mistakes, making it the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.

www.cnbc.com

 

[dicko]

While nobody wants to get sick, a virus that has a 99.9% survival rate for the infected; I think all this lock down, vaccines, & mask stuff is going way over board.

How about some lockdowns over this?

The third-leading cause of death in US most doctors don't want you to know about

More than 250,000 people in the US die every year because of medical mistakes, making it the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.

www.cnbc.com

600000+ dearly departed folks would likely disagree with that nonsense as would most of their loved ones.

 

[krzykat]

600000+ dearly departed folks would likely disagree with that nonsense as would most of their loved ones.

Yeah, do the math ... over 300M pop in US and over 600K have died from it ... that's 1 in 500 that die !! AND that's with people being very conservative wearing masks and lockdowns. Imagine if we never did those steps? Oh ... and the new Delta variant is more contagious. My argument on vaccinations and masks is that by that large population not getting it, the virus gets to spread and mutate. That will potentially eventually render my vaccine shot obsolete.

 

[KNERD]

Yeah, do the math ... over 300M pop in US and over 600K have died from it ... that's 1 in 500 that die !! AND that's with people being very conservative wearing masks and lockdowns. Imagine if we never did those steps? Oh ... and the new Delta variant is more contagious. My argument on vaccinations and masks is that by that large population not getting it, the virus gets to spread and mutate. That will potentially eventually render my vaccine shot obsolete.

That number is from over nearly two years time, and 30 million recovered. How many recovered from medical mistakes? Looks like they are about even now in number of deaths.

 

[dallas]

that's 1 in 500 that die !!

That's per population, not per person infected with Covid-19. the true death rate is closer to 1 in 100.
I don't know the real numbers... I can't even keep up with the numbers in my own country let alone anywhere else.

 

[krzykat]

That's per population, not per person infected with Covid-19. the true death rate is closer to 1 in 100.
I don't know the real numbers... I can't even keep up with the numbers in my own country let alone anywhere else.

Exactly. I've never had it, and very few of my friends have. I know many more kids that have had it then adults. It's some bad shit.

 

[dicko]

Well known prophylactics

A) Masks
B) Vaccine
C) Firewall
D) Fail2ban

You don't HAVE to any of them but you put yourself (and others ) at risk if you don't use them all

 

[KNERD]

Well known prophylactics

A) Masks
B) Vaccine
C) Firewall
D) Fail2ban

You don't HAVE to any of them but you put yourself (and others ) at risk if you don't use them all

A)

Fauci said masks were not 'really effective' at blocking virus, emails reveal

B) Vaccine - A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease.

Fully vaccinated people are still getting infected with Covid. Experts explain why

So-called "breakthrough" Covid cases are being seen in people who have had two doses of a coronavirus vaccine.

www.cnbc.com

C & D actually work.

Bring back AstriCon!

 

[dicko]

I thought you guys hated Fauci and didn't believe anything he said
P
rophylactics don't absolutely prevent but rational people understand that they are helpful in reducing risk and so considered 'good ideas', neither C nor D are 100% the are still 'good ideas' though.

 

[KNERD]

I thought you guys hated Fauci and didn't believe anything he said
P
rophylactics don't absolutely prevent but rational people understand that they are helpful in reducing risk and so considered 'good ideas', neither C nor D are 100% the are still 'good ideas' though.

"Flip Flop" Fauci and the CDC sure have made a mess of things over a virus with a 99.9% survival rate. Those comments he made were before the flip flopping.

With anything novel, of course there will be high death rates, or inflictions. Look at Indigenous Americans and alcohol. Europeans and Asians had been exposed to it for a very long time, and most of those venerable to alcoholism had died off. Then distilled alcohol was brought to the Americas where it was novel to them. To this day, they still have issues with it.

Obama had that maskless party recently. Sure, 60+ people caught it. How many deaths? None as far as I know. "Vaccinated" or not, that is 60+ more people who now will have a natural immunity to it.

With that, bring on AstriCon!

 

[dicko]

Luckily I got myself injected with bleach and shone a bright light on my liver last year.

 

[KNERD]

Luckily I got myself injected with bleach and shone a bright light on my liver last year.

I am sure that light worked out fine

Cedars-Sinai Statement on UV (A) Technology

A Cedars-Sinai research team is in the pre-clinical stages of developing a technology that harnesses intermittent ultraviolet (UV) A light for treating viruses and bacteria. The technology has not been tested or used on patients. Cedars-Sinai has filed for patents related to the technology and...

www.cedars-sinai.org

 

[dicko]

I am sure that light worked out fine

Cedars-Sinai Statement on UV (A) Technology

A Cedars-Sinai research team is in the pre-clinical stages of developing a technology that harnesses intermittent ultraviolet (UV) A light for treating viruses and bacteria. The technology has not been tested or used on patients. Cedars-Sinai has filed for patents related to the technology and...

www.cedars-sinai.org

Yep, all we need now is transparent bodies that don't react badly to ingesting bleach.

 

[wardmundy]

Here's my non-medical analysis, a.k.a. Masks 101

 

[jerrm]

I thought you guys hated Fauci

I wouldn't say hate - thats a strong word, but I've thought the guy was a politcal hack and mostly full of **it for a decade or more, long before any of this covid us vs them mentality. You don't stay in that position as long as he has without a very brown nose.

I'm not anti-vax, I was among the first in my age group to take the shot, pretty much my entire family is vaccinated, all my kids had pretty much every vaccine growing up, etc.

The vaccine is the best option we have.

Masks I'm much more skeptical about, they fall into the "better than nothing" category. I can't fathom masked people walking down the street with no one else within 100 yards. I generally only use them where absolutely required or large groups where reasonable distancing is not an option.

But...

The covid vaccines are far from perfect. There are valid reasons to be leary of them. I don't hold it against anyone if they choose not to get the shot.

The recently filed Rutgers suit is a good summary of some issues. Like any suit it is one sided, but most of the claims are cited, and following the links can raise questions. I haven't dived into the numbers myself, but if the VAERs claims hold true, they are troubling and in any other situation would probably be a huge roadblock to full FDA approval. As always, consider the author and the phrase "lies, damned lies, and statistics" applies.

 

[kenn10]

Here's my non-medical analysis, a.k.a. Masks 101

Yes but if he's wearing pants and I'm not, he still pees on himself and I am dry and protected.

 

[KNERD]

The sick shall wear masks, and let there be AstriCon!